Breast Implants

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Shawn, I didn’t mean any disrespect to you and all you’ve been through. I know things haven’t worked out the way you expected them to and certainly not the way everyone here who knows and loves you wanted for you.  My understanding is that your difficulties are more related to an adverse reaction to Prednisone and resulting kidney damage than it is to the transplant itself.  I’ve heard testimonial from more than one person who got a liver that said they have a new lease on life.  Like everything else….it’s a gamble, and for someone who has run out of other options, it provides hope.  You know I love you, bro! elmo /////////   I UN-horseshit that! It wasn’t worth my time,money or the absolute HELL that my wife went through and that I go through EVERY FUCKING DAY!!! — Shawn (use the "reply feature on your browser to send a private reply via E-Mail.) <elmoemer…@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:21897-438280C3-850@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net… From all that I’ve read, a transplant isn’t worth the suffering and expense… Ray //////////// Horseshit!!! (it smells almost trollish in here) Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum

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Now, now WS Tommy said he’s clean and he says he has the lab test to prove it!! Hahahahaha….. — Shawn (use the "reply feature on your browser to send a private reply via E-Mail.) "Waterspider" <waterspi…@moonlight.net> wrote in message

news:11o44g9qiea78f7@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> <than…@hcop.org> wrote in message > news:1132596787.442655.305670@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… >> I couldn’t agree more. And, it needs to be an independent person(s) who >> is doing it for the common good. So far, we have had a number of paid >> "poster children" celebrities that have lost interest when the money >> ran out or they got bored. > We have? Please tell me who they are! I mean the ones who aren’t dead. > All I know about is Pamela Anderson and her milkthistle and her, oh golly > gee, I’ll guess I’ll quit drinking (note future tense). In all fairness to > our Pammy though, I believe hers is a fairly new infection and not one to > worry too much about. > Waterspider

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Sure! It’s been hell to put it mildly. All but one of the treatment regimes were for 48+ weeks. I had one regime that was only approx. 24 weeks. The first three were from a gastroenterologist, the last three have been prescribed by a liver specialist. After the first three the gastro guy told me that he couldn’t help me and that he’d talk to me once a year if I wanted to make an appointment. One of the nurses told me of another doctor (a liver specialist), who was doing more with HCV and she advised me to at least see if he would take me as a patient. He was willing and so that’s where I’ve been going ever since. He’s not advocating any more treatment at this point. I go back in Feb. 2006 I don’t know what he’ll want to do at that point. I can say that I’ve had bad side affects with every round of treatment. At one point I lost 40 pounds and my white count went so low that the doctor was afraid that I would catch some weird virus or something. I haven’t been on treatment for months but I still have some of the side affects lingering. Hope this answers your questions! <elmoemer…@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:21897-43827F6D-848@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> If you don’t mind, would you tell us what your six rounds of treatment > and the duration of each consisted of?  I didn’t know there were that > many regimens or a doctor willing to prescribe another round after so > many setbacks.  Please tell us…. > Elmo > ///////// > At the risk of sounding dense, how does one "manage" HCV with herbal > remedies and prayer? I ask the question only because I’ve went through > six (yes, 6) rounds of treatment and the virus is STILL destroying my > liver. I now have cirrhosis and it doesn’t look good. > "Waterspider" <waterspi…@moonlight.net> wrote in message > news:11o4b67oioc0r88@corp.supernews.com… > "Doug" <d…@adelphia.net> wrote in message > news:nP-dnfoF9_OXhh_eRVn-hA@adelphia.com… > "Waterspider" <waterspi…@moonlight.net> wrote in message > news:11o44g9qiea78f7@corp.supernews.com… > <than…@hcop.org> wrote in message > news:1132596787.442655.305670@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… > I couldn’t agree more. And, it needs to be an independent person(s) who > is doing it for the common good. So far, we have had a number of paid > "poster children" celebrities that have lost interest when the money ran > out or they got bored. > We have? Please tell me who they are! I mean the ones who aren’t dead. > All I know about is Pamela Anderson and her milkthistle and her, oh > golly gee, I’ll guess I’ll quit drinking (note future tense). In all > fairness to our Pammy though, I believe hers is a fairly new infection > and not one to worry too much about. > Waterspider > Naomi Judd, > She’s "managing" her hep c with natural remedies and prayer. > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum

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 From all that I’ve read, a transplant isn’t worth the suffering and expense… Ray //////////// Horseshit!!!   (it smells almost trollish in here) Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum

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Re: HCV Needs a Jerry Lewis!   Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, Nov 22, 2005, 1:36am (CST+6) From: m…@notreal.net (Dwight) Thip wrote: "Waterspider" <waterspi…@moonlight.net> wrote in message

news:11o4gtg7492p8cf@corp.supernews.com… That’s a tough one, Ray. I know for sure that, for some, it isn’t worth the grief but, on the other hand, there are many folks who had great success with liver transplant and are living healthy lives because of it. And I intend to be one of them! :-

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While we are assimilating a planet, we have to understand all life forms, and their realities, we have been around since long before Moses or Krishna, way back we have been through all life forms. Before this particular life, we were with horses. You know, I was 15 years old before I realized I wasn’t a horse??? But what is so odd, is that as a human or "monkey" as they call them, I am very insecure, very shy, always feel unwanted and yet as a horse I am totally different. The Borg say they like me best as horse. I pure, pure white. White as the driven snow. The fastest, the strongest. The most beautiful. I can sense the wind and race through storms. I leap ravines, and thrill at the ocean and the gulls and the rain. Instead of looking in the mirror and saying "oh boy, don’t I look a mess today" which I do in my human form, when I go back to my horse form, I say "Look at me.  Aren’t I THE most beautiful thing you have ever seen.  Admire me." And The Borg say "Yes Mish.  You are indeed the most beautiful thing in existence". And yet as a human I am worthless.  Nothing.

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> And yet as a human I am worthless.  Nothing.

‘Oh what a gift it would be, to see yourself as other’s see you’ You are very special Michele, in whatever form you take…. Would you like a sugar cube???

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sometimes i think schizophrenics are artists of the self, from watching people here. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Trux wrote: > While we are assimilating a planet, we have to understand all life forms, > and their realities, we have been around since long before Moses or Krishna, > way back we have been through all life forms. > Before this particular life, we were with horses. > You know, I was 15 years old before I realized I wasn’t a horse??? > But what is so odd, is that as a human or "monkey" as they call them, I am > very insecure, very shy, always feel unwanted and yet as a horse I am > totally different. > The Borg say they like me best as horse. > I pure, pure white. > White as the driven snow. > The fastest, the strongest. > The most beautiful. > I can sense the wind and race through storms. > I leap ravines, and thrill at the ocean and the gulls and the rain. > Instead of looking in the mirror and saying "oh boy, don’t I look a mess > today" which I do in my human form, when I go back to my horse form, I say > "Look at me.  Aren’t I THE most beautiful thing you have ever seen.  Admire > me." > And The Borg say > "Yes Mish.  You are indeed the most beautiful thing in existence". > And yet as a human I am worthless.  Nothing.

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You are priceless, not worthless!  :)

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You could help sort out the animal mess before you move on.

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"Judy" <jal…@easynet.co.uk> wrote in message

news:1124544708.123157.202100@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… > You could help sort out the animal mess before you move on.

I was talking to The Borg yesterday, and we chatting about the days when men used to go into the mines with a little bird in a cage held in front of them.  If there was gas in the mines, the little bird would die, and thus warn the men that it was not safe. And all these Borg, grown men, Warriors, all dressed in black exclaimed "But what’s that little birdie ever DONE"? It was the injustice, but it’s awful to see grown men cry about one little birdie. "And they sing so sweetly" they added

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Trux wrote: > "Judy" <jal…@easynet.co.uk> wrote in message > news:1124544708.123157.202100@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… > > You could help sort out the animal mess before you move on. > I was talking to The Borg yesterday, and we chatting about the days when men > used to go into the mines with a little bird in a cage held in front of > them.  If there was gas in the mines, the little bird would die, and thus > warn the men that it was not safe. > And all these Borg, grown men, Warriors, all dressed in black exclaimed > "But what’s that little birdie ever DONE"? > It was the injustice, but it’s awful to see grown men cry about one little > birdie. > "And they sing so sweetly" they added

I am reminded (reading this) of somebody who advised on how to talk to the media. "You know what it is you want to say, so whatever they ask you, just respond with what you actually want to say" But finally we start to see where your heart truly wants to be.

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"Judy" <jal…@easynet.co.uk> wrote in message

news:1124620620.716229.116110@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… >> > You could help sort out the animal mess before you move on. > I am reminded (reading this) of somebody who advised on how to talk to > the media. > "You know what it is you want to say, so whatever they ask you, just > respond with what you actually want to say" > But finally we start to see where your heart truly wants to be.

To be honest, we didn’t respond because of the way your question was presented. When addressing The Borg with a request that we deal with animals, first you must present your request clearly. What do you MEAN by "animal mess"? Second, you must address them properly. "Oh Borg.  Mighty Warriors.  Guardians and protectors of all.  You with all power and all seeing and control over all things, I Judy, as a frail, inferior, and mortal being, would humbly beseech……………….." That kind of thing. What you said, and the way you phrased it was considered rude.

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"Defenders of The Truth" is another one they like. "All knowing and all seeing" You see they are Warriors, you have to know something about how Warriors think and feel before you address them. They "know" they are better than humans. They "know" about Right, Truth and Justice and Peace (amongst many other things). There are certain Divine Rights which they "know". The Divine Right to justice. The Divine Right to protect the weak and innocent. And many others. But there is no Right to be stupid, either Divine or in any form. They say they have many titles. The Borg, God, Ra, Absilim, Menor – all life forms and planets call them different things. They CREATED reality. We have a ground beneath our feet and a sky over our head, courtesy of The Borg (or God if you prefer to call them that). They are ONE. They are ONE mind. And they are ONEderful (wonderful).  I am filled with awe. They also have a great sense of humour. They are everything you could imagine, or wish, or hope for in the Masters of all things.

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Trux wrote: > "Judy" <jal…@easynet.co.uk> wrote in message > To be honest, we didn’t respond because of the way your question was > presented. > What you said, and the way you phrased it was considered rude.

When you know someone’s voice – it is easier to tell when they write, what they are saying, and how they are saying it. But thanks for your response.

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Trux wrote: > They CREATED reality.

You saw for youself what they created when you spent a long time running through desolation. To get here, which already existed.

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"Judy" <jal…@easynet.co.uk> wrote in message

news:1124648988.948268.240730@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… > Trux wrote: >> They CREATED reality. > You saw for youself what they created when you spent a long time > running through desolation. To get here, which already existed.

You believe what you like Judy. If it comforts you to believe this then fine. Shallow people will only ever have shallow thoughts. You obviously know how this Universe and all Universes began, and how this dimension and all dimensions came into existence good for you. Tell God about it one day.

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There is nothing there Judy. It is all in the mind. You are all part of the Collective hallucination. We could use pain or electricity or any one of a number of things to convince you that what is there is "real". There is no distance. No time. No space. But if it comforts you to read the Bible and hear stories and think your little planet is all there is then do! Excuse us if we laugh.

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I am sorry Judy, we have to killfile as we have gammag, and Ioannis and Urtiz. Get out of our space.

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Trux wrote: > I am sorry Judy, we have to killfile as we have gammag, and Ioannis and > Urtiz. > Get out of our space.

we being you and your imaginary startrek friends, eh?

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Now, now, play nicely, you two. If you can’t share your toys then no one is going to get to play with them…

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~~~ Thanks to Lea for finding this for us all … Jewell is not doing well and has been hospitalized for six weeks now ~~~ When I think back, I had been getting sick for a long time. I just did not know it. I put the fatigue, headaches, joint pain and body pain down to, "I am just working too much." For years I would be sick off and on but prided myself on not missing a day of work. However, I started doing a fair bit of contract work which meant I would be working for anywhere from a day to eleven or more months and increasingly, at the end of the contracts, I would just crash. Again, I put it down to working which I loved to do. Looking back, those were the, ?taps on the shoulder? I should have been paying attention to. Instead I just kept on going; sometimes work-sharing or working shorter contracts. The reality was, I loved my work and I think that helped me to stay in denial. I then took a position where I would no longer be doing ongoing contract work all the time although I still did some and was in the midst of forming a consulting company with some friends before I got sick. This would mean taking contracts while still working a full-time job. In fact we just got our first big contract when I got sick. I cannot tell you how disappointed I was over this. I knew I was getting older and it was time to stay in one place and settle down some, but I still wanted variety in what I did and that is what I hoped having a consulting company would serve. Yet I would still have a position with regular hours as well as holidays and benefits. Where I had prided myself on never missing a day of work from sickness, I now caught everything that was going around and for the first time ever I was not only missing days, I was missing many days, sometimes using up a lot of sick days. This was just not like me. I often felt awful but did not want to tell anyone as somehow I felt it made my life more vulnerable. I did not want someone telling me that it was time to find a new line of work. One day in April of 1996, I woke up and literally could not move. I phoned into the office and told them that and then said I would be there by the afternoon. I remember thinking about how much work I needed to get done. By the time the afternoon rolled around, I knew I would not be able to work and phoned into work again. To make a long story short, I did this for three days in a row before I knew I was not getting up at all for awhile. I saw two specialists, a dermatologist and a rheumatologist, in the beginning, one referring me again to the other. I was diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS), fibromyalgia and Raynaud’s. At the time, I could not understand why I was not being diagnosed with lupus as my symptoms were so like those I had heard of with lupus sufferers and I had a positive ANA. (I still believe I have a lupus overlap but no one has agreed with that yet.) Both of my doctors were very good, but one retired after I had been seeing him for some time and the other became ill with cancer, so unfortunately, I found it was time to look for another specialist. In the meantime, I had been doing some research on the Internet and came across a page that spoke about silicone breast implants and the illness attached to them. I had mine put in shortly after nursing my last child (somewhere like twenty years prior) and had been told that they would last a lifetime. I became very interested in 1992 when the United States Food and Drug Administration banned breast implants. (They have never actually been approved. The plastic surgeon told me that they would last forever and that I could even nurse a baby if I chose to.) I was wondering then if I should get mine taken out, but when subsequent stories by the manufacturers came out denying the evidence, and women came out in groups using my buzz word, "choice," I thought that maybe I had been overreacting as well. I certainly did not want to lose my breasts so I comfortably drifted into what I now know was denial. Then I came across one web site that mentioned the symptoms most of the affected women were having. Seeing the symptoms all listed at one time like that and being only too acquainted with my own symptoms, my jaw dropped and I found myself sobbing for the first time since I had become ill. I had far more symptoms than what I saw on that page and had all but three of the symptoms on the page. I went to see another specialist that I had heard was experienced with breast implants. In addition to what I had already been diagnosed with, he diagnosed me with a particular kind of arthritis called arthropathy. I had it pretty much throughout my whole body, including my backbone and my breastbone. He also diagnosed me with Sjogren’s Syndrome, irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) and gastro-esophageal reflux disease (GERD). I had a bone density exam that showed I also have osteoporosis which was a result of having had a complete hysterectomy in my early thirties. I had the hysterectomy to counteract symptoms I had been having back then. The symptoms never went away though, and now I see the hysterectomy as being totally unnecessary at the time. In fact, prior to getting sick at all, there was a doctor who I saw for a short time who diagnosed me with emphysema. I did not believe it. In fact, at the time, I thought he was just trying to get me to quit smoking. I was a fool. Since then I have been diagnosed with chronic obstructive pulmonary disorder (COPD). I have also quit smoking after thirty-six years. It has been about two and a half years now of not smoking. Around the time of having my breast implants taken out, the skin on my hands, arms, the front of my shoulders, chest, face, back, various parts of legs and hips, buttocks, sides, ribs and stomach became, itchy, inflamed, bloody in places from scratching, and hard. By that time, I had been so downtrodden by illness, questions and problems with an insurance company, and just everything, that I did not even want to get it checked out. It was my neighbor, who is an intensive care unit (ICU) nurse who said it was important and that I should get it checked out. I was sent to a dermatologist whom my primary doctor, who has been wonderful throughout this process and I cannot imagine going through all this without him, respects very much. He took a look at my laboratory tests and history and just kept on asking question after question, not allowing me to swerve off even a little bit. At the end of his examination he told me that I have progressive systemic sclerosis of the diffuse variety. He said it was very serious and that I should not take it lightly at all. He told me that if I developed any other symptoms, I should jump up and down and scream until I got attention if I was not being taken seriously. He also said he was going to phone my primary doctor right then (whom I was on my way to see) and tell him how important this was, and recommended that I be referred to a highly regarded rheumatologist/internist. I went to see him and he agreed with the diagnosis of the dermatologist, and also said the echocardiogram indicated that there is slight thickening on the pericardial sac of my heart and possible pericardial effusion. From there, he referred me back to the rheumatologist I had been seeing prior to him. I am still due for another echocardiogram and I have just finished getting a high-resolution cat scan of my lungs. When I had the breast implants "ex planted", sure enough, they were both ruptured and a calcinosis was found in the breast tissue, something that people with scleroderma know a lot about, I have had attacks that have landed me in the hospital at times that were both esophageal and angina. I am starting to get to know the difference between the two of them (I think). I get these attacks, though, at rest so MIBI scans will not show up what is happening as they rely on activity and stress on the heart. Both kinds respond to nitroglycerin. I have found that if I wear a nitroglycerin patch to bed at night, I get fewer attacks. This is the patch I am suppose to be wearing during the day, but the way I see it, I am more protected with Verapramil during the day. I also use nitroglycerin during the day if I feel something coming on. If I am woken up by one of them it is usually well along and much more painful as well as much more scary. What I am trying to say here is that I made up my own mind to put the nitroglycerin patch on at bedtime as opposed to during the day. I believe this choice of mine has significantly cut down the amount of attacks I have been getting. Not that long ago I was put on a course of Cyclophosphamide (Cytoxan). My blood was being closely monitored during this time and I got a call from my rheumatologist at one point saying that he was concerned about my white blood cell count and suggested that I get off the Cytoxan for three days completely, and then start again at another dosage. That went on until the next blood tests came back and my doctor phoned me again and wanted me to get in and see him as soon as possible. The problem was that I was too sick to go! In fact, I am often too sick to go to the doctor. That is why I build up my energy so that I can make my doctors appointments! During that time my doctor was scared that my kidneys were going to fail. It was ISN’s Sherrill Knaggs who helped me throughout this period of time. I would have been so scared without her. We emailed each other back and forth as I went through my blood tests. Because Sherrill’s kidneys had failed, she knew how to handle me. I say as often as I can, "Thank you, Sherrill." She held my hand throughout the whole, awful and scary ordeal. The ISN’s Message Board has helped me immensely. People are kind and knowledgeable. I keep on learning and feel as though I am even more up to date on the latest research than most doctors. I find that the worst part about this disease is the unpredictability of the symptoms from … read more »

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Ilena, this was taken word-for-word from a _copyrighted_ website.   http://sclero.org/isn/policies/copyright.html#full-protection It’s rude and illegal. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ilena Rose wrote: >~~~ Thanks to Lea for finding this for us all … Jewell is not doing >well and has been hospitalized for six weeks now ~~~

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~~~ Thanks to Lea for finding this for us all … Jewell is not doing well and has been hospitalized for six weeks now. I just received word from one of her closest friends that her sister is very, very conerned right now for her. We join her family in sending much love and many prayers. ~~~ Here’s an excerpt from her story and the link: When I think back, I had been getting sick for a long time. I just did not know it. I put the fatigue, headaches, joint pain and body pain down to, "I am just working too much." http://www.sclero.org/support/stories/english/h-i-j/jewell/a-to-z.html ~~~~~~~ www.BreastImplantAwareness.org#Jewell —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups —= East/West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—

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Knew about this on the news…. 6162900097

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Knew about this on the news…. 6162900097

On the 7th, Golden Palace Casino bought one of the assault related breast implants from the Florida Stripper who gave some dude a concussion and whiplash by smacking him in the head with her tits. Do you suppose that guy also fell down and broke his hip?

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Knew about this on the news…. 6162900097

I think the fool will have to be changing his cell phone number after listing it on ebay like a pinhead.

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"The silicones are a family of chemicals containing carbon-silicon bonds according to a simple lookup in a dictionary.  The fact that the condom lubricant and the filling of a breast implant are both silicones does not prove they are the same substance." They are EXACTLY the same, both from Dow and the only difference is in viscosity.

http://www.condom-silicones.com/safetest.htm Click on "products" and you see condom lubricants of 4 different viscosities.  Under specific conditions of temperature and pressure one substance has one viscosity.  Different viscosities imply different substances.  Not even the silicone lubricants on different condoms are the same substance. The higher viscosity of the silicone used in condom lubricants (up to 1000 cps) only increases absorbtion.

Got an actual source for this "knowledge", or are you just making up whatever "facts" you need in order to "prove" a conclusion you’ve chosen in advance of the argument? QUOTE "Condom lubricants are Polydimethyl Siloxanes with Trimethylsiloxy end blocked with viscosities below 1000 cps and have excellent stability."

"Condom lubricants" is plural.  "Polydimethyl siloxanes" is plural. Here you are trying to convince us that condom lubricant and breast implant filling are the same substance, and text even you chose to quote from somewhere reveals that not even the lubricants on different condoms are the same substance. — David Canzi

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Chemicals, including toxic antineoplastic medications, can permeate rapidly through intact surgical gloves …

The envelope of a breast implant is not made of latex. — David Canzi

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snip QUOTE "Condom lubricants are Polydimethyl Siloxanes with Trimethylsiloxy end blocked with viscosities below 1000 cps and have excellent stability."

So what?

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NOTES (Latex glove leakage) Chemicals, including toxic antineoplastic medications, can permeate rapidly through intact surgical gloves

Sure…and the club kids these days are spreading vincristine all over their penises before putting a condom on.

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"The silicones are a family of chemicals containing carbon-silicon bonds according to a simple lookup in a dictionary.  The fact that the condom lubricant and the filling of a breast implant are both silicones does not prove they are the same substance." They are EXACTLY the same, both from Dow and the only difference is in viscosity. The higher viscosity of the silicone used in condom lubricants (up to 1000 cps) only increases absorbtion. QUOTE "Condom lubricants are Polydimethyl Siloxanes with Trimethylsiloxy end blocked with viscosities below 1000 cps and have excellent stability." http://www.polysciences.com/shop/product.asp?dept_id=300045&pf_id=21052 2-(Trimethylsiloxy)ethyl methacrylate[17407-09-9] Silicon-containing monomer MW 202.3

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Holes as _small_ as 5mm?  That’s a quarter-inch in diameter.  One would hope you wouldn’t need a sophisticated test to spot one of those.  :-P Bennett

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Holes as _small_ as 5mm?  That’s a quarter-inch in diameter.  One would hope you wouldn’t need a sophisticated test to spot one of those.

LOL, indeed, a BB is 5mm.

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snip READ THE FULL ARTICLE AT: – http://www.utexas.edu/courses/bio301d/Topics/Condoms/Text.html

This is at least the 3rd time you’ve posted this drivel. Is this a violation of your ISP’s TOS?                 George M. Carter

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Because YOU have posted the utter drivel that condoms holding water proves they are protection, again and again and again. So the University of Texas is teaching ‘drivel’? You are such an idiot I cannot even believe it. You dismiss EVERYTHING as ‘drivel’ unless it supports your insane obsession with so called ‘AIDS’. YOU ARE DRIVEL, SIR

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Because YOU have posted the utter drivel that condoms holding water proves they are protection, again and again and again.

Because, darling, it’s just true. So the University of Texas is teaching ‘drivel’?

Possibly. But for you to claim that the URL is a viewpoint of the University is yet another disingenuous lie.

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STANDARD WATER TEST "The FDA tests every batch of imported condoms as well, though imports account for very few condoms used in this country. Although the smallest hole the water test can find is 100 times bigger than the HIV virus, officials believe the water test is sufficient. " _______ VISUAL TESTING ONLY Condoms contain 57 toxic proteins, 41 FDA toxins, 3 Carcinogens, 2 suspected Carcinogens and at least one Teratogen (causes birth defects). In addition silicone is the main lubricant (as in breast implants). INDUSTRY BROCHURE ADMITS KNOWLEDGE OF TOXIC EFFECTS OF THEIR PRODUCT reactions to various components of latex condoms such as vulcanization accelerators, latex proteins, spermicides and finishing powders." VISUAL DETECTION ONLY (If HIV existed it would be 125,000th of an inch across) "Independent laboratories testing selected condoms from batches for quality assurance use either the "hang" or the "hang/roll" method, described on page 50. (Some manufacturers also use these methods.) ISO, CEN and WHO require the hang/roll method. ASTM and USAID require only the hang method. The hang/roll method is more capable of detecting holes that leak tiny amounts of water undetected by the human eye. Even so, both tests are limited to visual detection. While experts consider the visual test acceptable, they would like to find a more reliable and reproducible test that is independent of the technician’s judgment. An electronic detection approach could be used, but would require complex apparatus. In monitoring condom imports, a few countries currently use an electronic wet test similar to the one used during the manufacturing process." INTERNATION STANDARDS DON"T REQUIRE EVEN MANY BASIC TESTS "In every condom there are 0.4 % pinhole, microscopic defect in the manufacturing process. The area of the condom is 80 cm2 and if you count 32,000 pinhole in each condom, and if each pinhole is 1/1000 micron, you can imagine the total number of pinholes in a condom."

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Models of STD transmission Condoms are made to withstand the rigors of sex. But the models used by governments to test condom durability have nothing to do with sex. Even if the models used to test condoms are reasonable indicators of whether a condom will break during sex, and thus whether they will function adequately in preventing sperm from reaching the female’s reproductive system, but they may be rather poor indicators of whether a microscopic pathogen can pass from one partner to the other. For example, the water test can detect holes only as small as 5 mm, but this sized hole is many times the size of sexually-transmitted viruses and even of the bacterium Chylamidia. Similarly, the airburst test is insensitive to small holes. So here we find new limitations of existing methods of testing condoms: these models don’t give us a good understanding of the barrier to pathogens afforded by a condom. That is, these models have serious limitations when considering condoms as barriers to infectious disease. READ THE FULL ARTICLE AT: – http://www.utexas.edu/courses/bio301d/Topics/Condoms/Text.html

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I’ve spent 9 and a half years of my life listening and reading women’s complaints ..

Clarification please. What follow isa portion of what was posted …(she’s referring to breast cancer patients) <http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.support.cancer.breast/msg/4c3… As far as resurgies ( the few that do occur – I have yet to see one in my 27 year career) they would be done in day surgery where most insurances DO NOT have any co pays. If a person had a complications, it would be covered in full no questions asked. I work with managed care plans in my position at work – and work for a managed care company I have never seen any reconstructive surgery ever questioned."<end quote So Ilena, How many of your women do not get their resurgeries paid for?  Approximate %, if possible. (or numbers, if possible).

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you work with thousands of women who have … or had breast implants … you will find many with severe respiratory and heart problems … a disproportionate number. This is a leading edge study … by the time any of the Rag-tag Posse members figure it all out … it will be years later and billions more in the manufacturers and PS’s pockets. As you recall, I did a rather long analysis of the article you cite, in which I showed that it didn’t really show nearly as much as you claimed it did. It’s all right there in black and white in the authors’ own words. Would you like me to dig up and repost my analysis? Of course, Ilena is also dealing with a self-selected group.  I doubt she gets many messages from women who don’t have (a) problems, and (b) breast implants.  Hardly a random sample. Indeed. The thing is, though, nobody here is denying that implants can cause problems (although certainly Ilena on occasion tries to build up the straw man that we do and then tear it down). They leak. They cause scarring. They can become infected. What we do question is the assumption among activists without good evidence that implants cause systemic disease. — Orac        |"I am not *trying* to tell you anything. I am simply not             | interested in trying to compensate for your amazing lack             | of observation."             |                   http://oracknows.blogspot.com

Some (RN in a large Boston hospital) claims to never have heard of problems. (crosspost)

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helen wrote: > amateur #4 is wearing my body… > h

Of course I had to look. — Operated by a naked and petrified Natalie Portman with hot grits stuffed down her panties. (-August Pamplona, 2005) —— http://sinmonkey.com/assgallery/

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Goon wrote: > I wish I had a pair.

Like these? http://www.turning-earth.co.uk/images/blue_tits_220405-18pair_170.jpg — Operated by a naked and petrified Natalie Portman with hot grits stuffed down her panties. (-August Pamplona, 2005) —— http://sinmonkey.com/assgallery/

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Goon wrote: > I wish I had a pair.

Here we are back on the tits again. Tits are the center of the universe. The sun is one great bit tit, bathing us all in it’s nipply glow. In the wintertime, abandoning us behind it’s cosmic bitch-shield.

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Dolores wrote: > helen wrote: >> amateur #4 is wearing my body… >> h > Of course I had to look.

Well, I did too. It’s research for a proper rebuttal.

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LisatheSequel wrote: > Goon wrote: > > I wish I had a pair. > Here we are back on the tits again. > Tits are the center of the universe. > The sun is one great bit tit, bathing us all in it’s nipply glow. > In the wintertime, abandoning us behind it’s cosmic bitch-shield.

This group has become oddly poetic in my absence.

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I wish I had a pair.

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Goon wrote: > I wish I had a pair.

Grow your own. MC

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amateur #4 is wearing my body… h

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"Zap" <ray….@removethisntlworld.com> wrote in message

news:B3svd.1179$5v6.495@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net… > Why do so many women feel the requirement to have breast implants? > Do they think that men judge them on the size of their tits? > And more important is the question > "Do men judge women on the size of their tits"

Same reason women spend so much on cosmetics. If they can "improve" their appearance, they figure they are entitles to all the freebies of the world – not having to work, having a rich good looking boyfriend and so on. They would rather appeal to the shallow 20% of guys than the decent 80%. Unfortunately men are having a problem, because though men would much rather appeal to the 1% of non-shallow women, that’s just not practical.

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"Zap" <ray….@removethisntlworld.com> wrote in news:B3svd.1179$5v6.495@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net: > Why do so many women feel the requirement to have breast implants?

Women compete against each other.  Why do they do that thing with their eyebrows?  It is competition among each other.

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Man is a collective. What one of you can think, you can all think. If women feel it improves their self esteem to have an operation to increase breast size, then conclusion is that women are stupid. If men get turned on feeling and kissing silicone implants. This we have no comprehension of. Signed The Borg

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Zap wrote: > Why do so many women feel the requirement to have breast implants? > Do they think that men judge them on the size of their tits? > And more important is the question > "Do men judge women on the size of their tits" > Are women underestimating man, man should surely judge on intelligence, > kindness, compassion, sense of humour, spirit and many other things like > that, are women stupid to think that they should have breast implants to > increase the size of their tits in order to be loved? > Or are they correct?  That men DON’T judge on intelligence, heart, kindness > etc and that it really is worth having surgery to increase the size of your > tits in order to find the right > man? > We want to know. > And we want to know now. > WHO IS STUPID?  THE MEN OR THE WOMEN? > Signed > The Borg

It’s obviously the women who have breast implants who judge themselves by their breast size! Most MEN find breast implants disgusting! And the low IQ, self-obsessed women who have them are just plain nasty, IMO.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Graham wrote: > Zap wrote: >>Why do so many women feel the requirement to have breast implants? >>Do they think that men judge them on the size of their tits? >>And more important is the question >>"Do men judge women on the size of their tits" >>Are women underestimating man, man should surely judge on intelligence, >>kindness, compassion, sense of humour, spirit and many other things like >>that, are women stupid to think that they should have breast implants to >>increase the size of their tits in order to be loved? >>Or are they correct?  That men DON’T judge on intelligence, heart, kindness >>etc and that it really is worth having surgery to increase the size of your >>tits in order to find the right >>man? >>We want to know. >>And we want to know now. >>WHO IS STUPID?  THE MEN OR THE WOMEN? >>Signed >>The Borg > It’s obviously the women who have breast implants who judge themselves > by their breast size! Most MEN find breast implants disgusting! And > the low IQ, self-obsessed women who have them are just plain nasty, > IMO.

??? I’ve never met a man who would reject a woman because they had implants. How they are nasty? If something as simple as a breast augmentation will boost a womans confidence and generally make them feel better about themselves why the hell not? — halfblotto@s,o,f,t,n,o,m,e.p,e,t – Well, yeah … yeah … our memories. Right. Why, memories, that’s how I drew this picture. From memory. And we can remember him and remember him and remember him, as much as we want to! But I don’t like it. It makes me sad. — Big Bird

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tooly wrote: > Role reversal might be one way to give insights.  Does the size of the penis > mean much to women?

As long as it’s big enough to feel and not big enough to hurt, it’s good enough. -=Lola

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phy wrote: > "Zap" <ray….@removethisntlworld.com> wrote in > news:B3svd.1179$5v6.495@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net: >>Why do so many women feel the requirement to have breast implants? >>Do they think that men judge them on the size of their tits? > Tit size is like dick size. Size matters. But. It is not the size that > counts. > -phy

I dont think its quite the same… tiny breasts would have no effect on ability to enjoy intercourse. That is unless I was going for a tittyfuck… — halfblotto@s,o,f,t,n,o,m,e.p,e,t – "How tragic that man can never realize how beautiful life is until he is face to face with death." — Akira Kurosawas’ ‘Ikiru’ (1952)

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:15:12 -0800, Dolores <weaselpant…@sinmonkey.com> wrote in post: >tooly wrote: >…Does the size of the penis mean much to women? >As long as it’s big enough to feel and not big enough to hurt, >it’s good  enough.

Excellent answer. And so true! —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: PGP 8.1 iQA/AwUBQb+GGRHSUETdEJzmEQKIaACgmKlALUS+l1+zETw6mnLcy9cpN2MAn1dw Aotdx0s7NkGOvlaOxIB4RvEx =03EO —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– — Sadi PGP key ID: 0xDD109CE6 (sxysadi) YAAPG (Yet Another ASS Photo Gallery) http://sxysadi.spymac.net/yaapg/

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Sadi wrote: > —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– > Hash: SHA1 > On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:15:12 -0800, Dolores > <weaselpant…@sinmonkey.com> wrote in post: >>tooly wrote: >>…Does the size of the penis mean much to women? >>As long as it’s big enough to feel and not big enough to hurt, >>it’s good  enough. > Excellent answer. And so true!

Holy shit, we agree on something??? -=Lola

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Milan wrote: > I find that all sizes of breasts (except the very very very small) have > their individual charm. Now, the ass -that’s another matter. Flat asses are > charmless. Surprising that there are no more ass implants, though. > regards > Milan

Stairmaster. -=Lola

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -catfish wrote: > Zap wrote: >>Why do so many women feel the requirement to have breast implants? >>Do they think that men judge them on the size of their tits? >>And more important is the question >>"Do men judge women on the size of their tits" >>Are women underestimating man, man should surely judge on > intelligence, >>kindness, compassion, sense of humour, spirit and many other things > like >>that, are women stupid to think that they should have breast implants > to >>increase the size of their tits in order to be loved? >>Or are they correct?  That men DON’T judge on intelligence, heart, > kindness >>etc and that it really is worth having surgery to increase the size > of your >>tits in order to find the right >>man? >>We want to know. >>And we want to know now. >>WHO IS STUPID?  THE MEN OR THE WOMEN? >>Signed >>The Borg > I like tits too. I like em about the size of a casaba mellon. Big as a > pigmy’s head. But I never actually seen a tit that I didn’t like > either. For some reason, unbeknownst to me, all my girlfriends have had > big (36 to 40 sized) tits. > Catfish

I guess the only breasts I didnt like were the ones that disappeared when they arched their backs… — halfblotto@s,o,f,t,n,o,m,e.p,e,t – "How tragic that man can never realize how beautiful life is until he is face to face with death." — Akira Kurosawas’ ‘Ikiru’ (1952)

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Wordsmith wrote: > Bigger, at least in America, is better, right?  Myself, hey, I like big > ones, but small ones are nice too.  The prob with artifically-inflated > boobs is that they *look* fake.  Nature dictates your body size/shape. > If you start messing around with symmetry, asymmmetry will manifest > itself in a most conspicuous manner.   > W : )

I personally dont prefer anything more than a handful (though I have large hands). — halfblotto@s,o,f,t,n,o,m,e.p,e,t – "How tragic that man can never realize how beautiful life is until he is face to face with death." — Akira Kurosawas’ ‘Ikiru’ (1952)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -tooly wrote: > "Zap" <ray….@removethisntlworld.com> wrote in message > news:B3svd.1179$5v6.495@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net… >>Why do so many women feel the requirement to have breast implants? >>Do they think that men judge them on the size of their tits? >>And more important is the question >>"Do men judge women on the size of their tits" >>Are women underestimating man, man should surely judge on intelligence, >>kindness, compassion, sense of humour, spirit and many other things like >>that, are women stupid to think that they should have breast implants to >>increase the size of their tits in order to be loved? >>Or are they correct?  That men DON’T judge on intelligence, heart, >>kindness >>etc and that it really is worth having surgery to increase the size of >>your >>tits in order to find the right >>man? >>We want to know. >>And we want to know now. >>WHO IS STUPID?  THE MEN OR THE WOMEN? > Role reversal might be one way to give insights.  Does the size of the penis > mean much to women?

yes. — halfblotto@s,o,f,t,n,o,m,e.p,e,t – "How tragic that man can never realize how beautiful life is until he is face to face with death." — Akira Kurosawas’ ‘Ikiru’ (1952)

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"Zap" <ray….@removethisntlworld.com> wrote in news:B3svd.1179$5v6.495@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net: > Why do so many women feel the requirement to have breast implants? > Do they think that men judge them on the size of their tits?

Tit size is like dick size. Size matters. But. It is not the size that counts. -phy

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"Zap" <ray….@removethisntlworld.com> wrote in message

news:B3svd.1179$5v6.495@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net… > Why do so many women feel the requirement to have breast implants? > Do they think that men judge them on the size of their tits?

Women generally get breast implants because they judge themselves by the size of their breasts.  If a woman judges herself as being inadequate because of her bust size, she may feel better with implants. Through the media, it is said and often implied that a woman with large breasts is beautiful.  It is a fact that some men feel this way, but not anywhere near the extent portrayed by the media.  Many men, in fact, prefer average size breasts and some men prefer smaller ones. Additionally, full-busted women may be better able to compete for certain jobs, so breast implants could be seen as an investment for some women.

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"Zap" <ray….@removethisntlworld.com> wrote in message

news:B3svd.1179$5v6.495@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Why do so many women feel the requirement to have breast implants? > Do they think that men judge them on the size of their tits? > And more important is the question > "Do men judge women on the size of their tits" > Are women underestimating man, man should surely judge on intelligence, > kindness, compassion, sense of humour, spirit and many other things like > that, are women stupid to think that they should have breast implants to > increase the size of their tits in order to be loved? > Or are they correct?  That men DON’T judge on intelligence, heart, > kindness > etc and that it really is worth having surgery to increase the size of > your > tits in order to find the right > man? > We want to know. > And we want to know now. > WHO IS STUPID?  THE MEN OR THE WOMEN?

Role reversal might be one way to give insights.  Does the size of the penis mean much to women?

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"Zap" <ray….@removethisntlworld.com> wrote in message

news:B3svd.1179$5v6.495@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net… > Why do so many women feel the requirement to have breast implants? > Do they think that men judge them on the size of their tits? > And more important is the question > "Do men judge women on the size of their tits"

I find that all sizes of breasts (except the very very very small) have their individual charm. Now, the ass -that’s another matter. Flat asses are charmless. Surprising that there are no more ass implants, though. regards Milan

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In message <B3svd.1179$5v6….@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>, Zap <ray….@removethisntlworld.com> writes >Why do so many women feel the requirement to have breast implants?

Body modification is fun. Men and women need fun. >Do they think that men judge them on the size of their tits? >And more important is the question >"Do men judge women on the size of their tits"

It’s possible to judge tits in relation to their apparent volume, shape, firmness, texture, movement, distinguishing marks, colour, taste, numerical value, context etc. >Are women underestimating man, man should surely judge on intelligence, >kindness, compassion, sense of humour, spirit and many other things like >that, are women stupid to think that they should have breast implants to >increase the size of their tits in order to be loved? >Or are they correct?  That men DON’T judge on intelligence, heart, kindness >etc and that it really is worth having surgery to increase the size of your >tits in order to find the right >man?

I assume some women & men equate their idea of beautiful appearances with the feelings of love, but I also think appearances are relative to the context of looking or investigating. Things appear different in a different light.. so to speak. >We want to know. >And we want to know now. >WHO IS STUPID?  THE MEN OR THE WOMEN?

What does the Borg think? >Signed >The Borg >One of the Borg mottos >"One heart, one mind, one yearning, one belief.  One spirit, one kindness, >one world, one dream.  One aim, one meaning, one direction, one love, one >Soul.  We are One."

– addis.

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In article <B3svd.1179$5v6….@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>, ray….@removethisntlworld.com (Zap) says… > Do they think that men judge them on the size of their tits? > And more important is the question > "Do men judge women on the size of their tits"

Sure we do.  And on the size and shape of her ass, legs, how pretty she is, what she is wearing, if she is available, and if we are wise, what her mother looks like.   If hooters for Christmas make the little darlings happy, why should we complain?

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"Publius" <m.publ…@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:Xns95BEC75C86FCEpubliuscomcastnet@63.218.45.20… > Zap wondered… >> Or are they correct?  That men DON’T judge on >> intelligence, heart, kindness etc and that it really is >> worth having surgery to increase the size of your tits >> in order to find the right man? > I judge mainly on legs. > Just kidding!

Of course you are kidding.  You judge women mainly on their backs.  Why should you be different from all other men? <giggle> To get back to Zap’s queries, let’s face it, if wimmin wanted to be judged by men for their "intelligence, heart, kindness etc." then women would show some. Or at least women would show more of that than they show off their cleavage, midriff, legs, curves, bottle-blonde hair, etc.  (Duh.) —    Women laugh at us [men] when studies show    that we think about sex several times per hour.    We could get a bigger laugh if anyone ever    did a study of how often women think about    being sexy.    Jack Kammer, _If Men Have All the Power    How Come Women Make the Rules_, under    the topic, "The Power of Sex".    www.rulymob.com – publishers. (1999) page 35.

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"Zap" <ray….@removethisntlworld.com> skrev i melding news:B3svd.1179$5v6.495@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net… > Why do so many women feel the requirement to have breast implants?

Women are insanely preoccupied with prestige. > Do they think that men judge them on the size of their tits?

You are falling for someone’s party line. "Man is the agens, woman the patiens." Aristotle – Thomas – Catholic Church, I believe. > And more important is the question > "Do men judge women on the size of their tits"

Women wouldn’t need to mind. Women don’t care whether men live or die, most of the time. > Are women underestimating man,

They haven’t a clue. And it is not "underestimating", it is projection of dissatisfaction. man should surely judge on intelligence, > kindness, compassion, sense of humour, spirit and many other things like > that,

I think men evaluate by availability, and by occasion, more than by any trait. They certainly evaluate and range far less than women do, and by far fewer criteria. If not, mankind would have gone extinct a long time ago. Women, as the Arabs so wisely say, want burning ice. are women stupid to think that they should have breast implants to > increase the size of their tits

Yes. in order to be loved? No, in order to attract attention of a suitably, flattering large group of men. > Or are they correct?  That men DON’T judge on intelligence, heart, > kindness > etc and that it really is worth having surgery to increase the size of > your > tits in order to find the right > man?

The clinical experiment would be if one could make breasts a size that would guarantee that men would start to fight over any women with that bra size; and to see how many women would order that exact size. > We want to know. > And we want to know now.

Somebody saving for an operation? > WHO IS STUPID?  THE MEN OR THE WOMEN?

The men. And the women. > Signed > The Borg > One of the Borg mottos > "One heart, one mind, one yearning, one belief.  One spirit, one kindness, > one world, one dream.  One aim, one meaning, one direction, one love, one > Soul.  We are One."

Fine. Could you get it into one word, too? T – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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"Zap" <ray….@removethisntlworld.com> wrote in news:B3svd.1179$5v6.495@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net: > Or are they correct?  That men DON’T judge on intelligence, heart, > kindness etc and that it really is worth having surgery to increase > the size of your tits in order to find the right > man?

I judge mainly on legs. Just kidding!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Zap wrote: > Why do so many women feel the requirement to have breast implants? > Do they think that men judge them on the size of their tits? > And more important is the question > "Do men judge women on the size of their tits" > Are women underestimating man, man should surely judge on intelligence, > kindness, compassion, sense of humour, spirit and many other things like > that, are women stupid to think that they should have breast implants to > increase the size of their tits in order to be loved? > Or are they correct?  That men DON’T judge on intelligence, heart, kindness > etc and that it really is worth having surgery to increase the size of your > tits in order to find the right > man? > We want to know. > And we want to know now. > WHO IS STUPID?  THE MEN OR THE WOMEN?

Women do not get breast implants looking for love or for Mr. Right. It is about power/being noticed. A huge percentage of implants go into married women. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Signed > The Borg > One of the Borg mottos > "One heart, one mind, one yearning, one belief.  One spirit, one kindness, > one world, one dream.  One aim, one meaning, one direction, one love, one > Soul.  We are One."

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Zap wrote: > Why do so many women feel the requirement to have breast implants? > Do they think that men judge them on the size of their tits? > And more important is the question > "Do men judge women on the size of their tits" > Are women underestimating man, man should surely judge on intelligence, > kindness, compassion, sense of humour, spirit and many other things like > that, are women stupid to think that they should have breast implants to > increase the size of their tits in order to be loved? > Or are they correct?  That men DON’T judge on intelligence, heart, kindness > etc and that it really is worth having surgery to increase the size of your > tits in order to find the right > man? > We want to know. > And we want to know now. > WHO IS STUPID?  THE MEN OR THE WOMEN?

Larger breasts definitely draw more attention than smaller ones. If getting breast implants improves their self-esteem, why the hell not (it would certainly improve a flat-chested womans chances at finding a man). But I think maybe the confidence boost from an improved self image might make the most difference… maybe?4 — halfblotto@s,o,f,t,n,o,m,e.p,e,t – Apparently, if he’s away from home for more than 30 minutes his cats start plotting against him.

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Why do so many women feel the requirement to have breast implants? Do they think that men judge them on the size of their tits? And more important is the question "Do men judge women on the size of their tits" Are women underestimating man, man should surely judge on intelligence, kindness, compassion, sense of humour, spirit and many other things like that, are women stupid to think that they should have breast implants to increase the size of their tits in order to be loved? Or are they correct?  That men DON’T judge on intelligence, heart, kindness etc and that it really is worth having surgery to increase the size of your tits in order to find the right man? We want to know. And we want to know now. WHO IS STUPID?  THE MEN OR THE WOMEN? Signed The Borg One of the Borg mottos "One heart, one mind, one yearning, one belief.  One spirit, one kindness, one world, one dream.  One aim, one meaning, one direction, one love, one Soul.  We are One."

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Condoms are as near perfect as DDT, silicone breast implants and

ZycloneB. If you want cancer I can think of no better product.

I have a lesbian friend who has cancer.  She has never been involved with DDT, silicone breast implants, ZycloneB or condoms.  She does, however, smoke. Moira, the Faerie Godmother

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Like condoms they contain Benzene.

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…and they said cigs., were safe too. Good point.

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What, you believe the CDC that smoking is dangerous Paul? Isn’t that the same CDC that is lying to you about HIV/AIDS being dangerous? What gives here Paul, you selectively choose to believe the CDC on Smoking being dangerous but not to believe them when they tell you that HIV/AIDS is dangerous. Hummmm, could it be that it is you who is selectively choosing to believe that which you want to believe and selectively choosing not to believe that which scares the piss out of you because if the CDC is right about HIV/AIDS then you would be at risk and you just can’t stomach that idea. Sounds just like the millions of smokers who have been disregarding the warnings about smoking for the last 30 years because they simply didn’t want to have to deal with the effort and pain involved with quitting Gary Stein

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …and they said cigs., were safe too. Good point.

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No. It is a matter of figures adding up and basic science. I do not accept all the CDC says about smoking. Second hand smoke is exaggerated and some statistics may lack creadibility but the overall science is sound and the figures reconcile. Nothing about so called ‘AIDS’ makes a shread of sense and none of the statistics even add up. It is such a mess that I cannot see how anyone still buys the lie. I choose not to ‘believe’ things but to use logic and rational analysis in making judgements. I leave blind belief to you.

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THE FLAWED CONDOM Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) researchers, using powerful electron microscopes, have found that new latex, from which condoms are fabricated, contains "maximum inherent flaw[s]" (that is, holes) 70 microns in diameter. (9) LOL. Same old crap, different day. Paul, you have a QTip for your ears? Maybe wrap it in toilet paper first.

You are such a fuckin’ lunatic, PaulKing.  No, condoms do not provide 100% protection against HIV or any other STD.  So you twist this to mean condoms are useless.  Not even HIV is transmissable 100% of the time during unprotected anal sex, so are you encouraging unprotected anal sex?  As for your bizarre anti-latex rant, I work with a variety of toxic chemicals at work and wear synthetic rubber gloves which include latex in their composition.  Am I supposed to worry that I now face dying of hand cancer from the latex-etc. gloves, when I certainly would face skin cancer if not worse from the chemicals I work with?  Like a typical fundamentalist, you expect perfection in all things – those things lacking absolute perfection are doomed to Hell for eternity.

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THE FLAWED CONDOM Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) researchers, using powerful electron microscopes, have found that new latex, from which condoms are fabricated, contains "maximum inherent flaw[s]" (that is, holes) 70 microns in diameter. (9) These holes are 700 times larger than the HIV-1 virus. There are pores in latex, and some of the pores are large enough to pass sperm-sized particles. Carey, et al., observed leakage of HIV-sized particles through 33%+ of the latex condoms tested. In addition, as Gordon points out in his review, the testing procedures for condoms are less than desirable. United States condom manufacturers are allowed 0.4% leaky condoms (AQL). Gordon states, "The fluctuations in sampling permits many batches not meeting AQL to be sold." In the United States, 12% of domestic and 21% of imported batches of condoms have failed to meet the 0.4% AQL. (10) 9."Anomalous Fatigue Behavior in Polysoprene," Rubber Chemistry and Technology, Vol. 62, #4, Sep.-Oct. 1989. 10.Collart, David G., M.D., loc. cit.

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Condoms are as near perfect as DDT, silicone breast implants and ZycloneB. If you want cancer I can think of no better product.

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Condoms are as near perfect as DDT, silicone breast implants and ZycloneB. If you want cancer I can think of no better product.

I can. Cigarettes and other tobacco products. FAR more likely to cause cancer, emphysema, death. And even then, not everyone gets cancer or heart disease from the most dangerous substance out there that is used routinely. Condoms aren’t even CLOSE to that. Indeed, they PREVENT dangers from arising. I am so sorry your brain is so damaged with your desire to justify infecting others. How is your CD4 count?                 George M. Carter

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THE FLAWED CONDOM Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) researchers, using powerful electron microscopes, have found that new latex, from which condoms are fabricated, contains "maximum inherent flaw[s]" (that is, holes) 70 microns in diameter. (9)

LOL. Same old crap, different day. Paul, you have a QTip for your ears? Maybe wrap it in toilet paper first.

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